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Cold Blooded Response

Sorry, I'm not availablemontanaguy53
(48/M/The mountains of Western )

9/11/01 1:53 pm

 

There's no use lashing out at the first available scapegoat in retaliation for these acts of terrible evil.

Instead, I hope our leaders calculate and plan out this country's response. It should be violent, just as was our response to Pearl Harbor. It should not be blind.

Terrorism can't exist without state sponsorship, and the leaders of those states that are complicit should pay a deadly price. Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the PA are all high on the list of suspects. These states already hate us, so we lose nothing by attacking their leaders.

If any terrorist group wants to claim "credit" for this, we should take them at their word, and destroy every known member, especially their leaders.

Inditing and trying low level people deters nothing. But, we should remember that the planners and abbetors of these suicide attacks don't want to die themselves. We should make sure they do.

But, we should remember that the internment camps of WWII did nothing to help our war effort then, and blaming all Muslims, foreigners, etc will be as futile and destructive as blaming Japanese-Americans for Pearl Harbor.
 

 

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Thanks, Plum, for the voice of reason

Sorry, I'm not availablecptstrickland
(37/M/Oviedo FL (near Orlando))

9/11/01 2:04 pm

 

Plum, great to hear that you are OK. I said a special prayer for you and the others. At least one was answered.

Thanks for the voice of reason. Like Jay (I think) said earlier, now is not the time for political statements. It is not a time for fixing blame. It is a time for prayer. It is a time to remember those who didn't make it out. It is a time to remember the families of the victims. And to remember the people (like Plum) who lost friends and colleagues. Lets also remember that there were four (as best I can gather) planes that were hijacked and crashed. They, too, are victims.

Like JFHN said in an e-mail, if you can, get out there and give blood. Make donations to the Red Cross. This is a time for us all to come together as one, with a united purpose: helping those who need help. Next week we can argue about who is to blame. For now, you all need to ask your God to comfort the families and friends of the victims.

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Re: Feelings

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(37/F/New York, NY)

9/11/01 2:14 pm

 

I'm still in shock. Nothing I ever saw compares to the sight of the two buildings on fire with gaping holes in them. I am just grateful to be alive. I just pray that many of my colleagues are also alive. I'm also glad I was not downtown when the towers collapsed. I'm not sure I could have handled seeing that. Hearing it on the radio was bad enough. People were crying on the buses. I was crying on the bus and while walking on the street trying to get home. It took me two hours to get home, but at least I made it.
 

 

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Re: Domer

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(52/M/West Orange, NJ)

9/11/01 3:36 pm

 

I'm fine guys; thanks for the thoughts. I live (and work at home) about 15-20 miles from the Hudson River, in New Jersey.

This attack has been immense and devastating. I fear hearing the death toll. Thankfully, my brother, who works at the American Stock Exchange, and my best friend who works just a little uptown from the disaster area, both were unhurt by the explosions and were safely evacuated uptown and to Staten Island. I fear for a good friend of mine, President of a branch of Morgan Stanley-Dean Witter, whose office was in one of the towers. He's an habitual early arriver.

I've been watching and listening mostly to local TV and radio. The stories are truly tragic and heartwrenching. One of the most visible reactions of victims tells the tale in graphic horror: People jumping to their deaths from the upper floors of the towers to escape the engulfing flames. The crushing nightmare of a freefall through a collapsing building awaited those who managed to evade the flames. Simply horrorific. The death toll will be in the multiple thousands.

All Hudson River crossings are closed; I'm not sure about ther bridges to the other boroughs, but I'm sure the Mid-town Tunnel is closed. All the roads here in Jersey leading to the river and the city are closed at some point on the Jersey side: Routes 80, 46, 4, 3, etc. In my neck of the woods, the scenic overlook of the Manhattan skyline, Eagle Rock Reservation, about a mile-and-a-half from my home, is closed to all further traffic as citizens young and old converge to get an historic glimpse. Many businesses -- it SEEMS most -- are closed; my wife got home a little after 11:00 a.m. from her New Jersey job. A little less than a mile from my house, as I was coming home before, traffic was stopped on Pleasant Valley Way as police cordoned off the street for the vehicles delivering people to the local blood center, where the queue snaked out endlessly, it seems.

On the larger implications of the attack, all I want to do right now is sound a clarion call for a response FOCUSED AND LIMITED to ONLY those actually guilty, not their societies, religions or countrymen. We WILL get them.
 

 

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Re: All y'll listen up to the oldest rul

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9/11/01 9:36 pm

 

It is so easy for you to sit at your keyboard and say here at this screen that you hope to be on the front lines. When and if the time comes will you (and others)put up or shut up? We as a nation do need to step back before we react. I have listening to the news, phones and people around me all day. We are in shock right now. Never act in haste. These acts of aggression wer well timed and thought out. Some guy didn't just wake up this morning and say,'Hey! Let's blow something up!'Neither should we. People keep blaming differnet religious groups and ethnic groups. This is not true American. It is racist and bias. Have we not grown up past those days?

Sure, I want someone to answer for this. But I want those who are responsible to answer. I do not want some barbaric form of torture. I want our nation to be above the tactics of our enemies. Tha is what will keep us true to ourselves and the beliefs of America.

I know that I will have loved ones on the front lines. I will light a candle for all of us.

By the way, my flag is at half staff and Istill love apple pie too!
 

 

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The Day After

Sorry, I'm not availabledharkangell
(23/M/Somewhere on Earth)

9/12/01 10:57 am

 

I came into work today to find my parking area surronded by guards armed to the hilt. The line to enter my building snaked around the corner, as everyone was searched.

A minor inconvience really and I did not mind going through the extra steps of having my car searched before parking behind the Federal Courthouse.

I know that soon enough life here will again become routine. That these extra measures will disappear. Life and work will resume some sense of normalcy.

But what won't diminish what won't even begin to fade is the sense of sadness and anger. War was declared upon my country through an unspeakable act of cowardace. The murder of probably thousands of innocent people and children.

We accept certain norms, one is that in a democracy we change and effect policy though a process of elections and representation, not force. What happened yesterday was a use of force on a scale not scene outside of war. Let me repeat that, what happened yesterday was a use of force on a scale not scene outside of war.

America is now at war, at war with EVERYONE who supports terrorism. That includes Yassir Arafat, whose words blame the America for his crooked government's problems. For radicals like Osama Bin Ladin, who beleive America is evil because we live under freedom and not Islamic law. Groups like the IRA and all anyone else who believes that encouraging their people to kill innnocent people by strapping bombs on their backs is justified policy. Today they all should be targets as should every nation that shelters terrorists. That includes Lybia, Syria, and Afghanistan. If they offer money, land, weapons, whatever support exists, they must be taught now that America will unleash a costly reprisal, not only against their governments, but now in a war against their people.

I watched the Palestinians, who each day complain of their suffering, and who one would expect feel SOME compassion through experience, instead they celebrate. The callousness of their reaction speaks more for the true nature of their philosophy and their cause than any words expressed by their leaders.

As for the American reaction and blame for Muslims and their condemnation of Islam. The celebrations in Egpyt, Syria and Lybia speak volumes. The stereotype of the Muslim terrorist and Middle East fanatic exists not because of some unfounded media effort. Now today its clear that our ideas are indeed at least partly based in fact. What heartless zealot is required to celebrate the death of thousands of utterly innocent workers?

I have yet to see a single American celebrate the death of Palestinians with a parade, or a celebration. Never have I seen a single American dance in the streets as we bombed Lybia.

But let them celebrate, America's former innocence is shattered, more importantly our resolve is now stronger. Before terrorism was the occasional plane or car bomb. Yesterday it became a war. A war which America will hopefully make quite real to those who celebrate in the Middle East today.

Its time to teach the supporters of world terrorism that America will no longer accept their direct or indirect tacit codoning of terror.
 

 

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Pearl Harbor part 2

Sorry, I'm not availablerc_roma
(M/South Florida)

9/13/01 1:33 am

 

I haven't posted much for the past couple of days. For one thing I haven't been on the computer much, and another thing is I'm just trying to take all this in.

This is just terrible. All those people lost their lives for no reason whatsoever. Whoever is responsible for such an act should be punished severely and quickly.

Thank God our very own Plum is OK. When I read that she worked in the World Trade Center building my heart sunk. And then I was greatly relieved later when I read that she is just fine.

I was just devastated when I learned that Barbara Olson's life was taken away by cowards. The pain Mr. Olson is feeling must be tremendous. I can't pretend to know what he and other relatives, friends and neighbors of the people that were killed in these horrendous acts are feeling. And I don't want to know. My prayers go out to them.

But, as a result of these cowardly acts, America is at war.

We have been victimized by aggressive attacks by cowardly, hating, vicious terrorists who seek our destruction as a nation and as a people. This kind of attack on the United States was unheard of except by the attack on Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941.

Americans will meet the test as our Commander and Chief, George W. Bush said.

The major difference between the attack on Pearl Harbor and those on New York City and Washington is that in 1941 we knew immediately that our enemy was Japan. And we knew how we had to defend ourselves. But today, our enemy is anonymous--a faceless coward indeed--ill-defined, and there is no front where we must stand in defense and mount an offense against our enemies.

But as Americans responded in unity to Pearl Harbor, Americans now surely will stand in unity and determination in defense of our country. And our people will not be wiped out but will defeat our enemies, whoever they may be.

In recent years, terrorists have continuously attacked our friends elsewhere in the world. Terrorists have bombed airliners, attacked varied public facilities, blasted American barracks in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, set off murderous explosions at two U.S. embassies in Africa and bombed the USS Cole in Yemen.

In February 1993, terrorists attacked the World Trade Center with a bomb. Other plots have been averted, often with little or no public notice. But now we are paying attention. And those cowards will rue the day that they attacked the greatest nation on the planet: the United States of America.

At Pearl Harbor, the death toll was about 2,400. At New York and Washington on September 11, the death toll was surely far greater. Our national heart is broken by this tragedy. But our national will is strengthened.

We are at war. We will not be defeated. It is a war different from any other we have ever faced. But America will survive. America will be victorious. America will prevail.

I reach out to my liberal friends at this moment and extend my hand. This is not a time for partisan bickering. It is a time to stand together and fight.

May God bless America, and may all Americans seek to live in these troubled times to be worthy of his blessings.
 

 

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My letter to the evil perpatrators

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(36/M/Wasted away again. Mobi)

9/14/01 10:42 am

 

You didn’t even scratch the surface of this velvet-covered anvil that is the beating heart of America. Did you hear that echo? The echo when I said America. The reverb and echo that bounce around in your brain is fear and reverence for something that is so much greater than the sum of its whole population. America is a living-breathing organism who’s heartbeat started about 225 years ago and still beats. It beats stronger and louder than that of any nation that ever came before or ever will follow. America, echo, is soft to the touch and has given so much of herself to the rest of the world. She cries and mourns and is bleeding now tears of blood that was needlessly spilt.

What were you thinking? Damn you! What were you thinking? Do you think you can destroy America? You fools! Did you think you could topple the sleeping giant? You have awakened a horrible beast that we try to put to bed every day in this nation and that is our righteous wrath. You do not mourn what you have done to America, do you? Do you? You will! Oh yes! You will mourn what you have done. And we as a just nation will look back and mourn what we will do to you. We will utterly and completely destroy you. We will kill your brothers, fathers, mothers and children. We will destroy your homeland and your way of life and we will wretch when we see what we have done to you. That anger and indignation that you have stirred in us will collect and be released in your pitiful and defenseless direction and you will cease to exist. And all of America will mourn you. What were you thinking? Why do you entice the crashing fist of the beast within us? With fear and trembling America will destroy you! Not fear of you or trembling for your might, but fear of ourselves and trembling of what we are capable of. Whatever god you follow you should pray to him now so that he may be merciful on your soul. You will meet him soon. God please forgive us this day because we could not forgive this debt!
 

 

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Re: How?

Sorry, I'm not availableyellow_crane

9/14/01 11:56 am

 

"How do you punish those who seek death in order to obtain their goal (salvation? a seat in paradise?)"


It is early to assess in any real way the actions of the terrorists, the loss of the innocents, or the reactions of those on several areas of the front lines, but I salute here a handful whose courage and bravery clearly qualifies for any definition of the word "heroic."

The mind-numbing drama of destruction continues to unfold in NYC and Washington, revealing anecdotal glimpses of bravery and selfless sacrifice as exemplifed by the tragic losses of whole fire house squads from both NYC and other areas nearby, and others who lost their lives attempting to save the initial victims, and has inadvertantly eclipsed the epic of that fourth plane, which turned round over the great lakes and set course to destroy yet another unspecified target to deliver yet another horror to the collective american psyche.

The scenario resembled the others--a half dozen or so fanatical fundamentalist extremists hijacking a plane in order to turn it into a military missle aimed to destroy targets chosen for their symbolic impact. Early reports suggest the terrorists murdered female flight attendants to shock the victims into inaction by slitting their throats.

But this time, the zealots encountered the daemon in the mirror. Just before the place crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, thus sparing untold and possibly thousands of lives as well as some priceless archetype of national mettle, a phone call was made by a passenger to a relative. In that call, information was revealed that the victims, knowing they faced certain death, chose to act--not to save themselves in the face of certain death, but to save other Americans from the terrible intent of their commandeers. Without weapons against those who were armed, they reclaimed the airliner, and through as-yet unspecified heroic acts, facing certain death, they successfully turned the tables by regaining enough control to force the plane into an intended dive.

Wherever in the world the sympathizers of the terrorists now rejoice, their rejoicing is muted by the knowledge that, push come to shove, these Americans demonstrated to the kamikazis a brand of spontaeneous, righteous kamikazi of their own.

No other episode thus far, in my opinion, exemplies to the world that the strength of American spirit can rival any, even that of the dementedly fanatical and murderous mindset of the terrorists who committed these recent attacks.

On a plane, commandeered by their countries sworn and proven enemy, in the worst attack on America yet to date, these handful performed with bravery above and beyond. The importance of what they diverted by their actions cannot be denied--they were aboard a missle headed for the heart of America's strength, a part of a larger operation that destroyed the financial center of American, and the Pentagon, chosen willy-nilly above the intended target of the White House itself. If this were contained within the confines of a military operation, and were they members of the military, these simple Americans could clearly be nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor.
 

 

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9/14/01 11:56 am

 

"How do you punish those who seek death in order to obtain their goal (salvation? a seat in paradise?)"


It is early to assess in any real way the actions of the terrorists, the loss of the innocents, or the reactions of those on several areas of the front lines, but I salute here a handful whose courage and bravery clearly qualifies for any definition of the word "heroic."

The mind-numbing drama of destruction continues to unfold in NYC and Washington, revealing anecdotal glimpses of bravery and selfless sacrifice as exemplifed by the tragic losses of whole fire house squads from both NYC and other areas nearby, and others who lost their lives attempting to save the initial victims, and has inadvertantly eclipsed the epic of that fourth plane, which turned round over the great lakes and set course to destroy yet another unspecified target to deliver yet another horror to the collective american psyche.

The scenario resembled the others--a half dozen or so fanatical fundamentalist extremists hijacking a plane in order to turn it into a military missle aimed to destroy targets chosen for their symbolic impact. Early reports suggest the terrorists murdered female flight attendants to shock the victims into inaction by slitting their throats.

But this time, the zealots encountered the daemon in the mirror. Just before the place crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, thus sparing untold and possibly thousands of lives as well as some priceless archetype of national mettle, a phone call was made by a passenger to a relative. In that call, information was revealed that the victims, knowing they faced certain death, chose to act--not to save themselves in the face of certain death, but to save other Americans from the terrible intent of their commandeers. Without weapons against those who were armed, they reclaimed the airliner, and through as-yet unspecified heroic acts, facing certain death, they successfully turned the tables by regaining enough control to force the plane into an intended dive.

Wherever in the world the sympathizers of the terrorists now rejoice, their rejoicing is muted by the knowledge that, push come to shove, these Americans demonstrated to the kamikazis a brand of spontaeneous, righteous kamikazi of their own.

No other episode thus far, in my opinion, exemplies to the world that the strength of American spirit can rival any, even that of the dementedly fanatical and murderous mindset of the terrorists who committed these recent attacks.

On a plane, commandeered by their countries sworn and proven enemy, in the worst attack on America yet to date, these handful performed with bravery above and beyond. The importance of what they diverted by their actions cannot be denied--they were aboard a missle headed for the heart of America's strength, a part of a larger operation that destroyed the financial center of American, and the Pentagon, chosen willy-nilly above the intended target of the White House itself. If this were contained within the confines of a military operation, and were they members of the military, these simple Americans could clearly be nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor.
 

 

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Sorry, I'm not availableborru15
(46/M/No where important)

9/15/01 12:47 am

 

Tell me the colour of an American
Tell me the language of a citizen
Tell me the story of your father
and i will show you a free man.
Tell me the courage of a marine
Tell me the answer of a sailor
Tell me the story of your father
and I will show you a free man
Tell me your mothers name
Tell me your grandmas story
Tell me your uncles forgiveness
and I will show you a free man
Tell me your hearts desire
Tell me your deepest wish
Tell me your souls forgiveness
and then you will see
AMERICA
 

 

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Re: Pause for a few thoughts

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(50/M/Cabin in the Woods)

9/15/01 2:30 pm

 

All we are saying.........is give peace a chance.


It didn't take long, did it? In the last 25 messages alone we have had comments about Madonna,
conspiracy theories and calls for understanding the mindset of the aggressors. We have charges that once again this is Bush's War just like the last one . Always about oil, always about money, always about politics.

America is not a perfect country. No matter the amount of flag waving and candlelight marches. We have sinned. We have conducted foreign policy that at times and in hindsight has not been the most enlightened. We are rich, we are strong and at times we are bullies. Our people are good but sometimes that isn't always reflected in our policies.

None of that matters now. What matters is that those who did this, those who brought this to our house must pay. And pay dearly. The unified voice of free nations has clearly stated no mas. This is it. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. Because those that hide you will also share in your punishment.

I worry about collateral damage. I worry about innocent children being harmed for the actions of their leaders. I worry about the pain and suffering and depravation that always comes with seiges and retribution.

But i worry more about what will happen if we don't act. I worry that if we don't respond in kind , then we have lost . We will have let unseen forces alter our lives and our destinies. Negate our freedoms. We will have given the Bin Laden's of the world veto power over our votes, hopes and dreams. And that is the greater evil.

We need to focus our anger. We need to strike back
with unbelievable force. We need to only punish the guilty.
 

 

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Do something Patriotic:

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(21/M/Yin Yang)

9/16/01 2:54 pm

 

go meet your neighbors (for the first time?)
and find out who lives next to you

they have children like you

they have jobs like you

they have dreams like you

they have a belief in the creation force
like you

Learn who your neighbor is

Strangely they are a lot like you
 

 

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Live from NY <<<<<<<

Sorry, I'm not availabletoowhtgirl
(35/F/NYC)

9/12/01 4:50 am

 

I was on the C train in nyc and suddenly there was a noise that sounded like brakes or a train that back-fired. The conductor told us we were all being let out at Canal St. and the train wasn't totally in the station too. MTA people got us off the train very quickly and upstairs even faster. I stood on the north-west corner and there was a perfect veiw of the towers one smoking this was 8:45 and then I saw a plane go through the other tower. All we could do was stand with our mouths open frozen and watch the whole thing burn and explode for about an hour or so. NY'ers are tough but everyone felt very sad yesterday. I'm going back to work today. No one is going to take my happiness and free away from me, no one.
One of many NY women<<<
 

 

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Where were you when......?

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9/13/01 4:12 pm

 

I was watching a really bad, mindless movie. One of the "Bad News Bears" films. After it was over I started channel surfing and saw an image of the World Trade Towers. One tower was burning, I actually thought to myself "what movie is this?".
Then I noticed the text at bottom of the screen which read "a second plane has struck the other tower" and .......

I spent most of the next few hours glued to the TV, crying most of the time. Never had I seen such disaster except in the movies.

This is going be like "Where were you when JFK was shot".
 

 

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Re: Where were you when......?

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9/13/01 4:25 pm

 

I was at the office and got an e-mail from my mom, telling me that a plane had flown into the WTC. I simply wrote back, "You're joking, right?"

Within moments of that, I received an e-mail from a friend who works for an NBC affiliate in Utica, NY, and a phone call from a friend who works in the Lansing, MI Capital Building, both confirming that a second plane had flown hit the WTC. We have no television at the office, but we did eventually get a small radio in here.

I was sick, literally sick to my stomach all day, but I didn't even have a full idea of what had happened until I got home and saw it on T.V. ... and then I couldn't stop crying.

Henny
 

 

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9/13/01 9:22 pm

 

I was on a bus on the FDR Drive approaching the Brooklyn Bridge exit, on my way to work at the World Trade Center Tower 1. Suddenly, people on the near side of the bus start looking out the window, shocked. Someone said "A plane just hit the World Trade Center." I couldn't even believe it, it really didn't register. The bus driver pulled off at the Brooklyn Bridge exit, stopped the bus, and told us we had to get off and "Good luck getting home." I got off the bus and looked up. Only now did this start to sink in, as there was a gaping black hole in the building, flames rising, and chunks of the building falling off. I couldn't figure out which tower it was, though, as I was in too much shock to remember which had the radio antenna. I tried to get on my cellphone, but it was not working. I walked about a quarter of a block, found a payphone to call my parents to let them know I was not in the building when it happened and to ask them to tell me which tower it was. I suppose at this time I still had some stupid idea that I would try to get to work if Tower 1 was not the one that was hit. Of course, at this point, we all thought it was an accident. Anyway, after I called my father, who hadn't even heard yet, I walked back down to look at the building. By that time, the second tower was on fire, with an even worse gaping hole. I started to cry even harder at that point, because I realized that this could not possibly have been an accident. People all around me were just staring up at the building in shock, some in tears, some unable to do more than stare.

Eventually, I started to walk uptown again, with some vague idea of getting on a subway home. I had a portable MP3 player with an FM radio with me, so I decided to listen to the news while I was wallking. Unsurprisingly, and if I had been thinking clearly I would have realized this, the subways were not running. I did see that local bus service was still running, so I walked a ways to a bus stop and got on the First Avenue bus. I was sitting on the bus listening to the radio. Since no one else on the bus had a radio, I was telling the other passengers what I was hearing. I told them that the Pentagon had been hit also, and everybody's faces went even whiter at that. Somewhere around 34th Street, the news came on that Tower 2 had collapsed. At that news, the bus got very quiet. Around 50th Street, traffic was so bad that most of us got out to walk. I walked up a bit, still listening to the news, when I heard that Tower 1 had also collapsed. At that, I started crying again. Some very nice man stopped to reassure me, and then I went to find another payphone to call my parents again. Took me a while to find one, but eventually I did and called them. Then I walked a little ways further until traffic had cleared up and got back on a bus the rest of the way home. All told, it took me two hours to get home that morning.

The rest of the day was spent trying to let people know I was okay. I couldn't make outgoing calls for hours, but I was able to get some ingoing calls and so got some news about some of my coworkers who had not been upstairs at the time of the plane crash. I sent an e-mail to a guy who used to work for me who had moved to Chicago a couple of months earlier to let him know I was okay and to find out if he had heard from anyone else. He had not, at the time, but that got me on an e-mail list wherein we would all report when we contacted someone, so we had a list of people who were okay. I basically spent the rest of the day in shock on the Internet and phone, waiting for news of my coworkers, combing the survivors lists, crying off and on. I have not, to this time, seen actual footage of the towers collapsing, and I'm not sure when I will be able to watch that. It's enough for me to know that my office is completely obliterated and that hundreds of people I know are dead. I don't think I can bear to see it on tape.
 

 

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9/13/01 9:56 pm

 

Thanks to my colleague at work I got to hear it all unfold from crash one to now. It was horrible but I do believe that, if we do what is necessary, terrorism is going to fall. They used a couple of commercial jet liners to kill thousands and instill fear. We're going to use weapons of mass distruction. No more cottling any group that threatens us. I think we have finally learned that there are people in the world to who reason and logic doesn't exist. It was a hard lesson, but one that I think will be lasting.
 

 

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9/13/01 4:27 pm

 

my morning routine is to get up before my kids, make coffee and have a bit of quiet time before the getting-ready-for-school and packing lunches routine. so i sat down and looked at posts - and saw the one about plum from freak.

i turned on the tv and it was just at the point where the first collision had occurred, but it was unclear why a plane had crashed - did a pilot have a heart attack at the controls? - or even what type of plane. then, as i watched, the second plane crashed....and from that point on, i watched in disbelief as the pentagon was attacked.

by then my kids were up - i told my younger son and daughter briefly what had happened, and woke my older son. i had to leave for appointments all that day and listened to bits and pieces on newsradio in the van as i traveled; the whole time still so concerned about plum. i was very, very relieved when i got back and checked the posts and saw she was posting - alive and well, but stunned.

the tv hasn't changed off nbc for three days. i've spent alot of time talking with my daughter, who is 11, explaining what has happened and reassuring her. as a way to feel that we have a part in helping, we made a donation as a family via the link i posted yesterday to the red cross and on her own, she donated money from her savings account when we saw a local news station doing a call-in fundraiser last night.
 

 

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9/13/01 4:29 pm

 

I was online surfing the web.
 

 

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9/13/01 9:23 pm

 

Out here in PST I first heard the reports as a terrorist attack as my radio alarm went off something about a terrorist attack, and a name that sounded foriegn. I hit the snooze button for another 10 minutes thinking, "some damn terrorist is killing a few people 'over there.'"

I snoozed a few more minutes then the raio came back on, something about one of the towers being on fire. I figured that might interest me, so I got up and turned on the TV just in time to see the second jet crash into the tower.

"wow some terrorist is killing some people over there, lot's of people."

I watched as the towers burned and eventually fell wondering how many would escape before the fire killed them or the tops fell. When they collapsed I was horrified, yet glad they seemed to fall straight down rather than lay out across the city.

"some terrorist is killing lot's of people over there."

I don't live anywhere near anything that would be considered a target for a major terrorist group or a military target. So I don't worry that it could happen to me here.

"some terrorist is killing people over there."

I really don't need to worry because most of the time it is someone else somewhere far away from me. This time it was Americans, my little brother was stuck in traffic, he works in DC, but I had never really thought anything like that would happen to anyone I know. It's always some stranger 'over there' so why worry about it?

Maybe this attack will change how we all view terrorists around the world. Maybe we need to revisit what Truman said:

"When even one American--who has done nothing wrong--is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth--then all Americans are in peril." (Harry S. Truman)

When one person is forced by fear, all are in peril.

Maybe this is the start of a global effort to stamp out those that terrorize, too bad it had to come to this.
 

 

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9/13/01 4:41 pm

 

I was at school. As I walked into third period, the tv was on, but I wasn't paying much attention. Somebody said something about a hijacked plane, but everyone was rushing around because we had presentations to make as soon as the bell rung. After third period was dismissed, the tv was turned back on. As I packed up my things to go to fourth, I saw that DC was being evacuated. I didn't know what was going on, but I knew it was bad. The tvs stayed on during class from fourth period on. I didn't go to lunch, I was glued to the tv, and the awful news. Students were tearfully checked out of school as they realized that their parents, workers in the WTC or the Pentagon, might not be alive. The halls had an eerie quiet as classes changed. America was under attack.
 

 

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9/13/01 5:04 pm

 

I was in the office early, and responded to some SirSpeak, and honestly was pretty pissed off. Tuesday is our publication day, and I was scrambling to finish a byline article. I first heard in passing that a plane hit the WTC and my initial reaction was, wow that sucks. I was thinking in terms of a misguided Piper Cub or perhaps a tragic accident a la Payne Stewart's plane. We couldn't hit any internet news sites, everything was screwy, and I really couldn't go out to the car and turn on the radio because of deadline pressures. I just pieced it together by word of mouth and it was truly horrifying.
 

 

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9/13/01 9:33 pm

 

Actually, I was in the mental health unit of a local hospital. I had a breakdown of some sort last Thursday. O well...anyway, if there is a silver lining, it's that none of the exchanges were hit.
 

 

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9/16/01 1:41 am

 

I debated on whether to answer this one and decided what the heck - believe it or not.

3:30 in the morning my daughter called me, asking if I was ok.

Yes, why the hell are you calling me at 3:30 in the morning?

I just woke up with a really bad feeling that something bad is going to happen. Are you sure you're ok?

Yes - go to bed.

If anything happens, Mom, I just want you to know I love you.

I love you too - don't call me again.

Hours later, on my way to work, I heard the news on the radio.

As soon as I got in the office, we were all talking about it. We didn't really get it until we heard the radio announce the tower had been hit. Everyone was shaky and upset. Our building is only 31 stories high, but we didn't stay long. I went straight to my daughter's house and picked her up, then we went to the school and picked up my grandchildren. Got home and was watching CNN, and the kids kept asking questions "Mimi why did they fly that plane into the building?" "Why did God let that happen?" "Because God gives everyone freedom of choice to be good or bad, and some people make bad choices" What else can you say? They are 5 and 7.
 

 

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9/13/01 5:07 pm

 

A large number of Canadian country music artists were stranding in Calgary for the last couple of days. Some of this country's most talented musicians , singers and performers had gathered in the city for the Canadian Country Music Awards. The award ceremony was cancelled in light of the tragedy.

Some of the artists decided to take advantage of there being so much talent in one place and they put on a concert to raise funds for the Red Cross.

In less than 24 hours thousands of people packed into a concert hall. Thousands of dollars were raised to help our neighbors to the south. According to those in attendance it was also a heartfelt tribute to those who died and an expression of sympathy to those who are expereincing such devasting pain and loss. It was also a chance to express some of our own feelings. The evening of song and tribute was also a symbol of hope and promise.

We Canadians really do care,
Lady *_* xxoo
 

 

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9/13/01 5:06 pm

 

LOL...no, in fact the feeling here is quite remarkably unified. I remember back during the Gulf War there was a ton of criticism in Canada, and it was seen as largely a protective measure of American economic interests in the Middle East.

This time is totally different...I've never seen so many American flags, people glued to televisions and radios...and I haven't heard one person flinch at the prospect of taking out those repsonsible.
 

 

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9/13/01 4:57 pm

 

Below is reproduced a portion of an email I received today from a Canadian colleague. I think it's worth sharing.

Thanks Canada. We appreciate all your efforts.
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I thought you might be interested in some of things that are happening here that will not be on CNN .

4,000 firefighters from across Canada are on their way to New York at their own expense, to assist in the rescue effort.

All public and most commercial buildings in downtown Toronto are flying American Flags.

1,500 medical and paramedical staff are either in or on their way to New York.

Law librarians across the country have raised thousands of dollars for N.Y. relief funds. (I understand many other professional associations are doing the same)

In Toronto (and I believe the same applies in other cities) hundreds of families have opened their homes to stranded U.S. travelers.

Toronto sent 8,000 units of blood to N.Y. last night.

Prayer vigils at churches and synagogues are ongoing.

These are just a few of things that one hears via the grapevine, and are not part of the official government statements.

I wish there was more we could do. Our thoughts are with all of you.
 

 

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Sorry, I'm not availableconnollycln
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9/13/01 3:11 pm

 

>This was forwarded to me so I thought I'd do my part and forward it on
>hoping that it will uplift your pride .......
>
>TRIBUTE TO AMERICA
>
>The following, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
>
>Its subject is "America: The Good Neighbor"
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>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
>Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his
>trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
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>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
>most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the
>earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
>lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
>billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these
>countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to
>the United States.
>
>When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who
>propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
>streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
>
>When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
>hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were
>flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
>
>The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
>discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about
>the decadent, warmongering Americans.
>
>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
>erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
>other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
>Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why
>do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
>
>Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
>moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk
>about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American
>technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not once, but several times-and
>safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
>right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their
draft-dodgers
>are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of
them,
>unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from
ma
>and pa at home to spend here.
>
>When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad
>and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose.
Both
>are still broke.
>
>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
>other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else
>raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help
even
>during the San Francisco earthquake.
>
>Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired
>of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
>their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
>the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is
not
>one of those."
>
>Stand proud, America!
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Sorry, I'm not availableEidea
(38/M/Zurich, Switzerland)

9/13/01 6:20 am

 

hello everyone

i want so share some thoughts with you, since i know that the most you here are americans, and i am a german who lives in switzerland. i have been living in the states for over a year, and i love america, it's people and the mixture of cultures and the "american dream" as much as my own life.

we have been following the tragedy in new york here in switzerland since almost the very first moment. we couldn't work that day anymore, we all just stood around the TV set in silent disbelief. we all were shocked, some of us were into tears, some very quiet, some angry. but we all felt the same: that THIS IS NOT AN ASSAULT AGAINST AMERICA or by any muslims or people who believe they represent arabic interests... THIS IS AN ASSAULT AGAINST THE WHOLE HUMAN CIVILIZATION ON THIS PLANET, not matter of what race, what political or religious color, no matter of what country. and it is madness that is declaring war on us, not any political fraction we might agree to or might not.

since two days i am trying to do my regular work, but am constantly occupied with talking to my american friends and other people i know all over the world. and i am surprised how many of them are saying the same. even besides all the grief and anger and lack of understanding how this could have happened, there is no one who calls for retaliation, no one who wants to go to war because of this, no one who wants to pay back in an escalation of violence... yet everybody is concerned that america might lead it's people into exactly that.

that is why i post here, and i will try to post this everywhere i can. let us please all be FOR ONCE the human community without boundaries, and borders and limits... let us all act as one against this... and let us include all the arabic and muslim nations as well, who have been shocked by the outcome of this terror act as much as we are. i have some friends here that are muslims, and they are SCARED and shocked, and all of them voluntarily went to the hospital just like me to spend their blood for the victims.

i hope, and i would like to discuss that with you here, we can find ways to make it clear to all politicians on this planet, to all parties that are involved, that WE DO NOT WANT AN ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE after this terrible deeds... even if we cry out for revenge in our grief. i hope that we will be able to cope with this world wide crisis on a level that maintains reason... and that we do not follow the path which was exactly planned by the ones who flew these planes into the heart of human civilization. let us stay away from this path... let us hope that together with the world trade center and those many lifes lost there peace and sanity of mind in this world will not crunble to dust! and let us stay together, and be firm on this, as the global community of people that rather want to live in harmony then in hate.

i believe that is the only chance we have to survive these terrible events. i myself will do all that is in my power to help my friends in new york as much as everywhere on this planet.

may all of you be blessed and strong in this time of grief and shock,

michael AKA eidea
eidea@yahoo.com
 

 

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9/11/01 4:36 pm

 

Thankyou for saying that Plum. I agree. I wish I had words to express the sorrow I feel at your loss and the loss of all the others.

Knowing what shock, disbelieve and great saddness I feel, I can only imagine what you and others more directly effected must feel.

I'm so very sorry.

Lady
 

 

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9/11/01 3:05 pm

 

First of all I want to express my compassion to American people. Today USA is a victim of terrorism. I know how terrorism looks like. I'm Macedonian. My country 8 mounths are under attack from Albanian terrorists. I know how killing civilians looks like, I know how burning civil buildings looks like, I know how children with tears looks like, I know how terrorism looks like. All terrorists are the same. No matter if they call them selfs Palestinians, Albanians, Talibans they are same monster.
We all together, whole international community, whole honest world must stop any kind of terrorism.
Once again I want to express my compassion with American people. Macedonians are with you.
 

 

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9/11/01 2:39 pm

 

I grieve, I weep, I somehow try to comprehend yet cannot, I do not understand = there is nothing in my life to put a basis of understanding on this. I live in a free country, a country that opens its arms to the world, to everyone, I do not understand, I will never understand, I cannot understand. To all affected I offer only the trite answer that my prayers are with you, and that my soul grieves for you.

As a citizen of a country that is not the USA, I am taking the "cowardly" approach and say to you, please solve this problem, please take a firm and positive approach to rationally finding who did this, and take care of them.

To those f..king cowards who did this. Run, run now, run far and hide, hide in a very deep, very dark, and very lonely place. THIS will be solved, and your demise will be the solution.

I truly pray, that no country ever is stupid enough to give safe harbour to these cowards; for then, truly we will have WWIII.

My prayers, for what they are worth, to all.
 

 

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9/11/01 11:57 am

 

Hello PIC, just a brief note to say how shocked and saddened Australians are at this morning's hideous crimes against your country. I am listening to radio and talking with friends on the phone and everyones' hearts are going out to our American cousins. It's the middle of the night but many are being woken by phone calls about this terrible outrage. There is a great outpouring of grief and concern here for you all. God Bless! I pray the people responsible for what has happened are paid in full too.
 

 

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9/11/01 10:45 am

 

I don't know the full story of what is going on in the States, Blue is trying to update me, but I hear the death toll is tragic. I am very shocked by what has happened.

My thoughts are with all my American friends and I am thinking of all of you in this terrible time.

Yukon
 

 

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